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| | | Guest |  |
|  Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 |  |
Has anyone successfully upgraded Win98se to Windows 2000?
If you did, were there any problems?
I am considering this. Of course I'll test it out on a backup copy of
my Win98 installation. I know the purists will say to start from a
fresh installation, but there is now way I will even consider
reinstalling 8 years of programs. If it dont work, I'll just stick
with 98.
-OR-
The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual boot. But if I
was to do this, is is possible to import all the installed
applications from Win98 without reinstalling all of them?
thanks |
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| | | Gary S. Terhune | |
| | Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
Don't do either.
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MS-MVP Shell/User
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<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Has anyone successfully upgraded Win98se to Windows 2000?
If you did, were there any problems?
I am considering this. Of course I'll test it out on a backup copy of
my Win98 installation. I know the purists will say to start from a
fresh installation, but there is now way I will even consider
reinstalling 8 years of programs. If it dont work, I'll just stick
with 98.
-OR-
The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual boot. But if I
was to do this, is is possible to import all the installed
applications from Win98 without reinstalling all of them?
thanks |
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| | | philo | |
| | Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Has anyone successfully upgraded Win98se to Windows 2000?
If you did, were there any problems?
I am considering this. Of course I'll test it out on a backup copy of
my Win98 installation. I know the purists will say to start from a
fresh installation, but there is now way I will even consider
reinstalling 8 years of programs. If it dont work, I'll just stick
with 98.
-OR-
The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual boot. But if I
was to do this, is is possible to import all the installed
applications from Win98 without reinstalling all of them?
thanks
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The chance of an upgrade from win98 to win2k actually working
right are pretty close to zero.
Though there are always a few folks who chime in that they've done it
and it works...Do you *really* want to gamble with your entire OS?
(I didn't think so.)
If you want to go to win2k, then install it on a *separate* partition
and dual boot. Though you will have to reinstall all of your apps.
it not going to be a big deal...just a bit time consuming...
however, by leaving your win98 installation in place
there will be no hurry to migrate over to win2k
so you can take your time an do it right.
The last time I performed such a migration.
it took me a few weeks...but by doing it when I had the time...
I was able to get it 100% right.
( I think I also had 8 years worth of apps )
If you insist on trying to upgrade win98 ==> win2k
it is *essential* that you clone your entire system first and test the
clone.
If not, you will probably be heading for disaster...
so my advice is to do it right and dual boot!
If you are not willing to do that, then just stay with win98...
(if it's working OK, no need to change things) |
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| | | Jeff Richards | |
| | Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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Yes I have - many times - and there were no particular problems. However
these were machines with much less history than yours (typically under two
years) and they had been separately tested for compatibility with W2k and
had a full set of manufacturer-supported device drivers.
If you have a tested backup there's no reason you shouldn't try it - worst
outcome would be a wasted couple of hours.
It is not possible to move installed applications from one OS to the other.
However, if you install as a dual boot and add the applications as needed, I
can almost guarantee that you will discover you don't really use all of
those installed programs nearly as much as you think you do. In that case,
creating a clean W2k installation and booting into W98 as necessary becomes
feasible.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Has anyone successfully upgraded Win98se to Windows 2000?
If you did, were there any problems?
I am considering this. Of course I'll test it out on a backup copy of
my Win98 installation. I know the purists will say to start from a
fresh installation, but there is now way I will even consider
reinstalling 8 years of programs. If it dont work, I'll just stick
with 98.
-OR-
The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual boot. But if I
was to do this, is is possible to import all the installed
applications from Win98 without reinstalling all of them?
thanks |
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| | | Guest | |
| | Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:14:01 +1000, "Jeff Richards"
<JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes I have - many times - and there were no particular problems. However
these were machines with much less history than yours (typically under two
years) and they had been separately tested for compatibility with W2k and
had a full set of manufacturer-supported device drivers.
If you have a tested backup there's no reason you shouldn't try it - worst
outcome would be a wasted couple of hours.
It is not possible to move installed applications from one OS to the other.
However, if you install as a dual boot and add the applications as needed, I
can almost guarantee that you will discover you don't really use all of
those installed programs nearly as much as you think you do. In that case,
creating a clean W2k installation and booting into W98 as necessary becomes
feasible.
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Thanks to all for the suggestions.
I know this computer will handle Win2K because it came with 2K
installed. It was a tiny 10gig drive so I just plugged in a larger
drive that was a clone from my previous computer.
One thing I dont fully understand. All my programs are in program
files\xxxxxxx
If I install 2K on drive D: Leaving Win98 on C:, will a complete new
program files directory be created on D:, or will it use the same one
on C: (which seems like it could be troublesome).
I agree it cant hurt to try with a clone....
Thanks |
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| | | thanatoid | |
| | Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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letterman@invalid.com wrote in
news:ivegb4dnain9vs0i5dh8b1sq3ck8tv7ttj@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Has anyone successfully upgraded Win98se to Windows 2000?
If you did, were there any problems?
I am considering this. Of course I'll test it out on a
backup copy of my Win98 installation. I know the purists
will say to start from a fresh installation, but there is
now way I will even consider reinstalling 8 years of
programs. If it dont work, I'll just stick with 98.
-OR-
The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual
boot. But if I was to do this, is is possible to import
all the installed applications from Win98 without
reinstalling all of them?
thanks
|
On my other computer, I have installed XP on E, leaving 98SELite
on C. There is a new program files directory on E, since
programs which write a lot of crap to the registry and put stuff
in the Windows directory will not work from their original
locations on the 98 C drive, since XP will only look into ITS
registry and ITS Windows directory - on the E drive.
Small programs which write nothing (except /perhaps/ uninstall
info) to the registry and do not put any files in ANY other
directories will work fine from the original drive, you'll just
have to create correct links, icons, start menus or whatever
suits you.
Also, like someone said, you may find 8 years of programs may
well be 50% stuff you will not need to use anymore. I have
noticed XP has quite a few things in it which I used to need to
use 3rd party utilities for. So may Win2000.
--
[from a recent conversation]
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Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster. |
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| | | Jeff Richards | |
| | Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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If you install W2K on D instead of C then this will be a new install, not an
upgrade.
A new program files directory will be created on the boot drive. The
structure of the program files directory on the old drive will be
maintained, but the problem is that there will be no registry entries for
these installed applications, and any references that are maintained to a
system folder will be to the C: drive (eg, C:\Windows\System) which will no
longer be the system folder. IMHO that is a greater recipe for disaster
than doing an upgrade.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
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| Quote: | snip
Thanks to all for the suggestions.
I know this computer will handle Win2K because it came with 2K
installed. It was a tiny 10gig drive so I just plugged in a larger
drive that was a clone from my previous computer.
One thing I dont fully understand. All my programs are in program
files\xxxxxxx
If I install 2K on drive D: Leaving Win98 on C:, will a complete new
program files directory be created on D:, or will it use the same one
on C: (which seems like it could be troublesome).
I agree it cant hurt to try with a clone....
Thanks |
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| | | philo | |
| | Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If you install W2K on D instead of C then this will be a new install, not
an
upgrade.
A new program files directory will be created on the boot drive. The
structure of the program files directory on the old drive will be
maintained, but the problem is that there will be no registry entries for
these installed applications, and any references that are maintained to a
system folder will be to the C: drive (eg, C:\Windows\System) which will
no
longer be the system folder. IMHO that is a greater recipe for disaster
than doing an upgrade.
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Your advice here is deplorable and dangerous.
Sheesh! (shakes head)
If Win2k is installed (for example) on the D: drive it is, as you have
correctly stated...
a clean install. All applications will have to be reinstalled and they will
all end up
on the D: drive . You also got that part right.
What you also got right was that the applications installed on the C: drive
(Win98)
will not work on Win2k because there will be no registry entries.
(A few simple apps with no such registry entries would work though)
What you got horribly wrong was that it is a "recipe for disaster"
That is inexcusable advice!
Yes, all the apps will have to be reinstalled,
but that's the only way to do it right.
By attempting to upgrade win98 to win2k simply to avoid having to re-install
all the applications
is what is a "recipe for disaster". It's the "lazy man's" way to do things
and in the attempt to save some time...all the time saved *and more* will be
lost
if there is a problem...The chance of problems is prohibitively high,
while the chances of problemswith a fresh install is close to zero.
Again, if one really wanted to upgrade win98 to Win2k,
the only safe way to do so would be to not only properly "prep" the win98
installation
the entire install would also have to be cloned.
In the amount of time doing that,
one could have simply performed a fresh installation of win2k
on a *seperate partition* !
| Quote: | Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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snip
Thanks to all for the suggestions.
I know this computer will handle Win2K because it came with 2K
installed. It was a tiny 10gig drive so I just plugged in a larger
drive that was a clone from my previous computer.
One thing I dont fully understand. All my programs are in program
files\xxxxxxx
If I install 2K on drive D: Leaving Win98 on C:, will a complete new
program files directory be created on D:, or will it use the same one
on C: (which seems like it could be troublesome).
I agree it cant hurt to try with a clone....
Thanks
|
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| | | dadiOH | |
| | Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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letterman@invalid.com wrote:
| Quote: | The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual boot. But if I
was to do this, is is possible to import all the installed
applications from Win98 without reinstalling all of them?
|
My experience with Win98 + WinXP when starting a program on the W98 drive
via XP...
1. An amazing number of programs work without problems. That would be
expected with "non-install" programs but the same is true of install
programs. In the case of the installed programs - ones that wrote needed
info to the directory - they will write again it to the new OS registry.
2. Programs that required registration will require it again. That info
will be written to the new OS registry.
3. If the program uses an external dll, ocx, etc. it will work if the
needed file(s) exist on the new OS drive and if the program can find them.
4. Some flat out won't work without installing on the new OS drive. Some
may not work there either because they are too old (for XP).
5. If you use the OS "uninstall" in add/remove programs it won't work unless
you boot to the drive with the OS registry that points to the uninstall
info.
6. To easily access the programs on the Win98 drive from the new OS one
can...
(a) put a shortcut to the old Start/Program folder in the new
Start/Program folder; clicking same opens it with explorer
-OR -
(b) create a new folder in the new OS Start/Program folder and copy all
the shortcuts in the Win98 Start/Programs folder to it
--
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| | | thanatoid | |
| | Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading Win98 to Win2000 | |
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"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | letterman@invalid.com wrote:
The other option would be to install Win2000 as a dual
boot. But if I was to do this, is is possible to import
all the installed applications from Win98 without
reinstalling all of them?
My experience with Win98 + WinXP when starting a program on
the W98 drive via XP...
1. An amazing number of programs work without problems.
That would be expected with "non-install" programs but the
same is true of install programs. In the case of the
installed programs - ones that wrote needed info to the
directory - they will write again it to the new OS
registry.
2. Programs that required registration will require it
again. That info will be written to the new OS registry.
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<SNIP>
That's very interesting, I'm glad you posted, since as I
mentioned I am in the middle of a similar thing.
I DID try PageMaker 6.52 (from drive C) and was amazed that it
ran - not only FROM 'C' but also UNDER XP (I have read MANY
posts about how it doesn't and was under the impression - for
years - that PageMaker 7 was released solely because of XP,
which appears to have been wrong (then again, I just started it
and opened 1 publication and didn't do anything complicated - it
does have some modules which look like 3.1 stuff and it IS
possible some may not work).
AFA writing whatever is necessary into the "new" registry,
including the registration stuff, to my rather rigid way of
looking at things, I would just as soon reinstall the whole app
on E even though I don't /have to/. For one thing, if I ever
delete stuff on 'c'. I'm screwed. Second, it avoids "splitting
responsibilities" between the 2 OS's. And it keeps an anal-
retentive like me happier to do it this way.
Thanks for your comments.
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Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster. |
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