|  | Grey Background but coloured object | | |
| | | babypink2807@googlemail.c |  |
|  Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Grey Background but coloured object |  |
Hi
I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
Thanks |
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| | | Mike Russell | |
| | Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 03:43:32 -0700 (PDT), babypink2807@googlemail.com wrote:
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| Quote: | I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
|
Yes - the term for this is "color popping". In this case it would done by
masking out the horse, and moving the saturation slider all the way to the
left. Then paint black on the parts of the mask where you want to retain
color.
There are a variety of ways you can let Photoshop do some of the work
creating the mask. One is to dupe the image, convert to Lab, and use a
contrast enhanced copy of the a channel as your mask. Alt click on the
layer mask to paste the a channel.
--
Mike Russell - LINK |
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| | | (used to be) Fat Sam | |
| | Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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babypink2807@googlemail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
Thanks
|
Do you mean this sort of thing?
LINK
There's literally dozens of different ways you can do it.
Mike has (as usual) offered up an excellent way of doing it, but I'm willing
to bet you get at least half a dozen replies all telling you how they would
have done it - each equally valid and usefull.
Here's my contribution.
Make a duplicate layer, so you have two identical layers one on top of the
other.
Now, select the top one and go to Image>Adjustments>Desaturate.
Now take your eraser tool, set it to a reasonable size with a slightly soft
edge (but not too soft) and simply erase out the donkey from that top layer.
Finally, flatten the image and save.
There are other methods that involve using the history brush, or else using
the channel mixer to achieve a better grayscale mix. But I'm just trying to
keep my example as simple as possible. |
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| | | Voivod | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:12:01 +0100, "\(used to be\) Fat Sam"
<samandjanet@knox.orangehome.co.uk> scribbled:
| Quote: | babypink2807@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi
I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
Thanks
Do you mean this sort of thing?
LINK
There's literally dozens of different ways you can do it.
Mike has (as usual) offered up an excellent way of doing it, but I'm willing
to bet you get at least half a dozen replies all telling you how they would
have done it - each equally valid and usefull.
Here's my contribution.
Make a duplicate layer, so you have two identical layers one on top of the
other.
Now, select the top one and go to Image>Adjustments>Desaturate.
Now take your eraser tool, set it to a reasonable size with a slightly soft
edge (but not too soft) and simply erase out the donkey from that top layer.
|
Using a layer mask, something so invaluable no Photoshop user should not
have the ability, would be far better than using the erase tool.
Mistakes are far easier to clean up especially if they're found after
considerable work is done.
| Quote: | Finally, flatten the image and save.
|
An utterly, completely unnecessary step that denies you the ability to
go back and change things. Why give such horrid advice? Flattening is
never necessary. Save as, Save for web and always keep a fully layered
working copy.
| Quote: | There are other methods that involve using the history brush, or else using
the channel mixer to achieve a better grayscale mix. But I'm just trying to
keep my example as simple as possible.
|
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| | | babypink2807@googlemail.c | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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On 3 Aug, 13:12, "\(used to be\) Fat Sam"
<samandja...@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | babypink2...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi
I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
Thanks
Do you mean this sort of thing?http://flickr.com/photos/swampy_bogtrotter/408856054
There's literally dozens of different ways you can do it.
Mike has (as usual) offered up an excellent way of doing it, but I'm willing
to bet you get at least half a dozen replies all telling you how they would
have done it - each equally valid and usefull.
Here's my contribution.
Make a duplicate layer, so you have two identical layers one on top of the
other.
Now, select the top one and go to Image>Adjustments>Desaturate.
Now take your eraser tool, set it to a reasonable size with a slightly soft
edge (but not too soft) and simply erase out the donkey from that top layer.
Finally, flatten the image and save.
There are other methods that involve using the history brush, or else using
the channel mixer to achieve a better grayscale mix. But I'm just trying to
keep my example as simple as possible.
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Thats it, thats how I want it to look, will have a go |
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| | | tony cooper | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT), "babypink2807@googlemail.com"
<babypink2807@btinternet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 4 Aug, 09:24, Voivod <V...@vod.con> wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:12:01 +0100, "\(used to be\) Fat Sam"
samandja...@knox.orangehome.co.uk> scribbled:
babypink2...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi
I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
Thanks
Do you mean this sort of thing?
LINK
There's literally dozens of different ways you can do it.
Mike has (as usual) offered up an excellent way of doing it, but I'm willing
to bet you get at least half a dozen replies all telling you how they would
have done it - each equally valid and usefull.
Here's my contribution.
Make a duplicate layer, so you have two identical layers one on top of the
other.
Now, select the top one and go to Image>Adjustments>Desaturate.
Now take your eraser tool, set it to a reasonable size with a slightly soft
edge (but not too soft) and simply erase out the donkey from that top layer.
Using a layer mask, something so invaluable no Photoshop user should not
have the ability, would be far better than using the erase tool.
Mistakes are far easier to clean up especially if they're found after
considerable work is done.
Finally, flatten the image and save.
An utterly, completely unnecessary step that denies you the ability to
go back and change things. Why give such horrid advice? Flattening is
never necessary. Save as, Save for web and always keep a fully layered
working copy.
There are other methods that involve using the history brush, or else using
the channel mixer to achieve a better grayscale mix. But I'm just trying to
keep my example as simple as possible.- Hide quoted text -
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So is ther a difference between a layer and a layer mask or are they
one and the same?
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Both are layers, but a layer mask is a type of layer that allows
editing of the layer with the ability to reverse the editing by
changing the foreground color between black and white.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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| | | babypink2807@googlemail.c | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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On 4 Aug, 09:24, Voivod <V...@vod.con> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:12:01 +0100, "\(used to be\) Fat Sam"
samandja...@knox.orangehome.co.uk> scribbled:
babypink2...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi
I would ideally like to take the example here
LINK
and make the object its "natural" colouring, but would like the
background in black and white, is this possible?
Thanks
Do you mean this sort of thing?
LINK
There's literally dozens of different ways you can do it.
Mike has (as usual) offered up an excellent way of doing it, but I'm willing
to bet you get at least half a dozen replies all telling you how they would
have done it - each equally valid and usefull.
Here's my contribution.
Make a duplicate layer, so you have two identical layers one on top of the
other.
Now, select the top one and go to Image>Adjustments>Desaturate.
Now take your eraser tool, set it to a reasonable size with a slightly soft
edge (but not too soft) and simply erase out the donkey from that top layer.
Using a layer mask, something so invaluable no Photoshop user should not
have the ability, would be far better than using the erase tool.
Mistakes are far easier to clean up especially if they're found after
considerable work is done.
Finally, flatten the image and save.
An utterly, completely unnecessary step that denies you the ability to
go back and change things. Why give such horrid advice? Flattening is
never necessary. Save as, Save for web and always keep a fully layered
working copy.
There are other methods that involve using the history brush, or else using
the channel mixer to achieve a better grayscale mix. But I'm just trying to
keep my example as simple as possible.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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So is ther a difference between a layer and a layer mask or are they
one and the same? |
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| | | Joel | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
<snip>
| Quote: | So is ther a difference between a layer and a layer mask or are they
one and the same?
Both are layers, but a layer mask is a type of layer that allows
editing of the layer with the ability to reverse the editing by
changing the foreground color between black and white.
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Mixing between Color & B&W is one of the trick I have been using on many
wedding photo for ages. And I agree with you that the combination of Layer
& Mask is a sweet way for this trick.
And I have been trying to get more Photoshop user to learn to take
advantage of Layer and Masking, but it seems like some doesn't understand
the benefit of Masking. Or everytime they see the word "MASKING" they are
thinking of making a selection of some object, when Masking is much more
flexible than selecting some specific subject.
And I use Mask on most of the photo. |
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| | | tacit | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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In article <9ree941mq3ia3lbql65pjpliqgc29h3283@4ax.com>,
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Both are layers, but a layer mask is a type of layer that allows
editing of the layer with the ability to reverse the editing by
changing the foreground color between black and white.
|
That's not quite true.
A layer mask is a way to conceal parts of a layer by making those parts
invisible. For example, you can create a layer, put a round layer mask
on it, and only the part of the layer contained inside the round layer
mask will be visible.
It does not allow you to undo other kinds of changes, such as changes to
the color balance of the layer. All it lets you do is go back later and
unhide the parts you had hidden, or hide the parts you had showing.
Effectively, any time you want to erase part of a layer, always use a
layer mask; never use the eraser. Thats what the mask does; erases part
of the layer, in a way that lets you bring it back if you change your
mind.
--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at
LINK |
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| | | tony cooper | |
| | Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Grey Background but coloured object | |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:35:36 -0400, tacit <tacitr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <9ree941mq3ia3lbql65pjpliqgc29h3283@4ax.com>,
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
Both are layers, but a layer mask is a type of layer that allows
editing of the layer with the ability to reverse the editing by
changing the foreground color between black and white.
That's not quite true.
A layer mask is a way to conceal parts of a layer by making those parts
invisible. For example, you can create a layer, put a round layer mask
on it, and only the part of the layer contained inside the round layer
mask will be visible.
It does not allow you to undo other kinds of changes, such as changes to
the color balance of the layer. All it lets you do is go back later and
unhide the parts you had hidden, or hide the parts you had showing.
Effectively, any time you want to erase part of a layer, always use a
layer mask; never use the eraser. Thats what the mask does; erases part
of the layer, in a way that lets you bring it back if you change your
mind.
|
You usually provide very good, very detailed, answers. Sometimes,
though, there's a time to provide a basic answer that doesn't go into
all the possibilities. When the question is: "So is there a
difference between a layer and a layer mask or are they one and the
same?", you know you have poster who isn't ready to deal with all of
the complexities of a subject like Layer Masks.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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