|  | Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaScrip | | |
| | | Erwin Moller |  |
|  Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaScrip |  |
Hi,
Maybe this is old news for some of you, but I just found this:
LINK
It will include a JavaScript Virtual Machine built from scratch.
Regards,
Erwin Moller
--
============================
Erwin Moller
Now dropping all postings from googlegroups.
Why? LINK
============================ |
| |
| | | David Mark | |
| | Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
On Sep 2, 11:44 am, Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
Maybe this is old news for some of you, but I just found this:http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9847
|
I just heard of it. Googled it. Tried to download the Beta, but
Google's form threw an "object expected" error in IE7. (!)
| Quote: |
It will include a JavaScript Virtual Machine built from scratch.
|
JS engine by Google? Shudder. |
| |
| | | The Magpie | |
| | Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
David Mark wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 2, 11:44 am, Erwin Moller
Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
Hi,
Maybe this is old news for some of you, but I just found this:http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9847
I just heard of it. Googled it. Tried to download the Beta, but
Google's form threw an "object expected" error in IE7. (!)
For the information of those interested in Google Chrome (yes, that is |
what the browser is called) but who couldn't download it, the reason
for the issue is - promise not to laugh - that the chappie at Google
who was writing the announcement that should be issued tomorrow hit
the wrong button and posted the message early! (source BBC & Google)
So we can all make mistakes guys and gals. The software should be
available in the USA from today, in Beta form. |
| |
| | | Laser Lips | |
| | Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
| |  | |
On Sep 3, 12:42 pm, The Magpie <use...@pigsinspace.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | David Mark wrote:
On Sep 2, 11:44 am, Erwin Moller
Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
Hi,
Maybe this is old news for some of you, but I just found this:http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9847
I just heard of it. Googled it. Tried to download the Beta, but
Google's form threw an "object expected" error in IE7. (!)
For the information of those interested in Google Chrome (yes, that is
what the browser is called) but who couldn't download it, the reason
for the issue is - promise not to laugh - that the chappie at Google
who was writing the announcement that should be issued tomorrow hit
the wrong button and posted the message early! (source BBC & Google)
So we can all make mistakes guys and gals. The software should be
available in the USA from today, in Beta form.
|
Won't this mean Google can collect EVEN MORE information about what we
do on the net? |
| |
| | | Dr J R Stockton | |
| | Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
In comp.lang.javascript message <b0b7fac1-ba37-4857-84eb-ce3ff4936a01@k3
0g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:00:13, Laser Lips
<loudsphiers@gmail.com> posted:
| Quote: | Won't this mean Google can collect EVEN MORE information about what we
do on the net?
|
Maybe. In comp.lang.java.programmer message <48be826e$0$15547$9b622d9e@
news.freenet.de>, Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:26:04, Christian <fakemail@xyz.de>
posted:
| Quote: | The browser seems to send constantly data to google. There should be
something about this in the EULA as well.
|
--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. replyYYWW merlyn demon co uk Turnpike 6.05.
Web <URL:http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html> -> Timo Salmi: Usenet Q&A.
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/news-use.htm> : about usage of News.
No Encoding. Quotes precede replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Mail no News. |
| |
| | | Lasse Reichstein Nielsen | |
| | Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
| | | |
Laser Lips <loudsphiers@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Won't this mean Google can collect EVEN MORE information about what we
do on the net?
|
Not really. It doesn't have to report anything to Google.
You can enable feedback, which reports anonymized usage statistics
back (like many other programs do).
Obviously, if you use Google as default search engine, it will send
your queries that way, and if you also enable suggestions, it will
query while you write, exactly like writing in the search page
with suggestions enabled.
<URL:http://labs.google.com/suggestfaq.html#q1>
You can pick another search engine to use instead.
If you don't disable "phishing and malware" protection, it will
send 32-bit hashes of URLs that match a list of potential dangerous
pages, and get 256-bit hashes back. The same protection is built
into Firefox.
It checks for updates approx. once per day. That's a good thing.
Most importantly, the source is available, so it will be impossible to
hide snooping code.
/L
--
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleDOM.html>
'Faith without judgement merely degrades the spirit divine.' |
| |
| | | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn | |
| | Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
| | | |
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen wrote:
| Quote: | Laser Lips <loudsphiers@gmail.com> writes:
Won't this mean Google can collect EVEN MORE information about what we
do on the net?
Not really. It doesn't have to report anything to Google.
|
But it does that by default. In fact, by default every character that you
type in the address bar is reported back to Google.
<http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html>
| Quote: | [...]
It checks for updates approx. once per day. That's a good thing.
|
Several UAs can do that nowadays.
| Quote: | Most importantly, the source is available, so it will be impossible to
hide snooping code.
|
They do not even try to hide that they intend to spy on their users. In
fact, it is Google's express intention that you use Chrome logged on to your
Google account all the time.
[de] <http://www.sueddeutsche.de/computer/854/308796/text/>
PointedEars
--
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> |
| |
| | | Michael Wojcik | |
| | Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen wrote:
| Quote: |
Most importantly, the source is available, so it will be impossible to
hide snooping code.
|
How many users will built it from source, rather than using
precompiled binaries, do you suppose? And will refuse to install
updates? And will vet all of the source in the first place?
--
Michael Wojcik
Micro Focus
Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University |
| |
| | | RobG | |
| | Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
| | | |
On Sep 5, 8:45 am, Michael Wojcik <mwoj...@newsguy.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Lasse Reichstein Nielsen wrote:
Most importantly, the source is available, so it will be impossible to
hide snooping code.
How many users will built it from source, rather than using
precompiled binaries, do you suppose?
|
Very few I suspect. There are two main benefits of open source code:
1. Other developers can use it for whatever purpose they choose and
can contribute changes that improve or modify it in useful ways.
Others can adopt those changes, or not.
2. Anyone can dig into the source to resolve bugs and determine
exactly what the code does - though clearly that is only going to be
undertaken by individuals with the ability and motivation to do so.
There are a number of claims already that Chrome reports stuff to
Google, I don't think the people who discovered that needed the source
to do so. They may use it for further analysis, or to build and
distribute a version that doesn't "phone home" (or phones a different
home).
| Quote: | And will refuse to install updates?
|
"Refuse"? Some may disable automatic updates, but I don't see that as
aiding Google's efforts to control the universe. It may leave those
users exposed to bugs and security issues, but no more than if they
disable automatic updates of any other application.
Many enterprises have automatic updates disabled so that they can be
centrally controlled, I don't see them getting pwn3d with sufficient
frequency for it to be an issue.
| Quote: | And will vet all of the source in the first place?
|
I think there are very few people who could draw any useful
conclusions from doing that, so whether or not a typical user does so
is neither here nor there.
The point here is that anyone who is interested can find bugs, errors
or other issues in the code. There are a number of agencies that have
become adept at finding bugs and security issues in closed source
applications, I imagine they will find it much easier with open
source.
--
Rob |
| |
| | | Steve Swift | |
| | Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Google anounces new (open source) browser with new JavaS | |
Michael Wojcik wrote:
| Quote: | How many users will built it from source, rather than using
precompiled binaries, do you suppose? And will refuse to install
updates? And will vet all of the source in the first place?
|
How many would it take to do Google irreparable harm by finding just one
piece of subterfuge? There doesn't have to be any; just the knowledge
that there might be one.
--
Steve Swift
LINK
LINK |
| |
|
|
