|  | Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | | |
| | | jwm2 |  |
|  Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained |  |
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I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
John |
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| | | Jim Mitchell | |
| | Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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As a fellowapher- My workflow is
1- Shoot Raw
2- Keep the raw file
3- Convert to Tiff Using Canon Software
4 Tweak in Photoshop or Lightroom
Save the Tiff
Convert to jpeg at quality 12
This give me a jpeg of bette quality than originated by the camera
And I never give out a jpeg or Tiff- I just make a pdf from lightroom
and send a contact sheet along
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:31:40 -0500, jwm2 <jwmphotog@comcast.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
John |
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| | | jwm2 | |
| | Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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| Quote: | On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:31:40 -0500, jwm2 <jwmphotog@comcast.net
Right, I understand your point on that. That is a given. I shoot high |
school seniors, one right after another. I'm looking for a quick,
automatic, seamless version of RAW to jpg conversion. I understand that
certain photographers have assignments that allow them the luxury of
sitting down and tweaking for a period of time each file or selected
files. I don't have that luxury. When my schedule is booked tight there
is no breathing room. Really, even to take a card out and download. That
is why I have the WTF in the first place. Fortunatly, it has the ability
to drive the file through a droplet on the way into the server. That
droplet can be anything we want. I've been doing it this way for a few
years now. But just now wishing that perhaps I could run a droplet that
incorporates a raw conversion.
Jim Mitchell <jrphoto@sasktel.net> wrote in
news:tiug845jnu93smc6apd7f9fa9evjppc06h@4ax.com:
| Quote: |
As a fellowapher- My workflow is
1- Shoot Raw
2- Keep the raw file
3- Convert to Tiff Using Canon Software
4 Tweak in Photoshop or Lightroom
Save the Tiff
Convert to jpeg at quality 12
This give me a jpeg of bette quality than originated by the camera
And I never give out a jpeg or Tiff- I just make a pdf from lightroom
and send a contact sheet along
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| | | Kurt Knoll | |
| | Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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I will update to Photoshop CS4 when it becomes available. Right now I do
have Photoshop CS. Do I have to buy version CS2 and CS3 First ?.
Kurt Knoll
"jwm2" <jwmphotog@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9AE4EEEA0A762jwm2comcastnet@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
John |
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| | | Johan W. Elzenga | |
| | Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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jwm2 <jwmphotog@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
|
A fully automatic conversion of RAW to JPEG is just what your camera is
doing if you shoot in JPEG, so the answer is no to questions 1 and 2.
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer LINK |
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| | | saycheez | |
| | Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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If you have a jpeg workflow that works for you with in-camera jpeg
generation then you might want to stick with that routine.
If your camera will allow you to save both a jpeg and a raw then, if you
have the time or inclination, you can later work the raw data into whatever
form you want.
As you are aware there is no comparison between what an in-camera jpeg
generates compared to even moderate manual processing of raw images.
If you are shooting under studio conditions where exposure is controlled
then using bridge or lightroom you can do batch processing of your raw
images, applying the same tweaks to any number of images simultaneously.
This should achieve results that are superior to any in-camera jpeg
processing.
You can not use the droplet process but it is possible to set up an action
that will accomplish the same thing in Photoshop. There are actually many
free sources for these action presets that will load into the Adobe raw
converter. |
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| | | KatWoman | |
| | Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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"saycheez" <fac_187@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p59ik.5738$np7.4666@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
| Quote: | If you have a jpeg workflow that works for you with in-camera jpeg
generation then you might want to stick with that routine.
If your camera will allow you to save both a jpeg and a raw then, if you
have the time or inclination, you can later work the raw data into
whatever form you want.
As you are aware there is no comparison between what an in-camera jpeg
generates compared to even moderate manual processing of raw images.
If you are shooting under studio conditions where exposure is controlled
then using bridge or lightroom you can do batch processing of your raw
images, applying the same tweaks to any number of images simultaneously.
This should achieve results that are superior to any in-camera jpeg
processing.
You can not use the droplet process but it is possible to set up an action
that will accomplish the same thing in Photoshop. There are actually many
free sources for these action presets that will load into the Adobe raw
converter.
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well you can work the jpg in ACR too
so
has anyone here tried to work a JPG and a RAW of the same image in the ACR
dialog??
is there really that much difference?? I understand liking the ACR controls
over opening and adjusting in PS and would expect difference there. |
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| | | Joel | |
| | Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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jwm2 <jwmphotog@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
John
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It seems like you get the wrong impression.
1. If you want to shoot RAW then you should learn to adjust the image using
all available tools, just like you do with Photoshop which seems like you
are lacking of.
2. No, you don't just want to waste the time and space just CONVERTING. But
you need to learn to ADJUST to your liking.
The image may look good on RAW converter because it does few
auto-adjusting. Or the original RAW format should be very ugly
3. Most RAW converters do have option to Batch Converting, but why waste the
time to lets the program does everything for you. IOW, most people want to
shoot RAW to have more control of what they may want to adjust, or many
people want to shoot RAW so they can recover the bad photos. |
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| | | Joel | |
| | Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
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nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
| Quote: | jwm2 <jwmphotog@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
A fully automatic conversion of RAW to JPEG is just what your camera is
doing if you shoot in JPEG, so the answer is no to questions 1 and 2.
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That's one of the things I forgot to mention in my previous message. |
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| | | Johan W. Elzenga | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained | |
KatWoman <spamfree@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | well you can work the jpg in ACR too so
has anyone here tried to work a JPG and a RAW of the same image in the ACR
dialog?? is there really that much difference??
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Yes, there really is a lot of difference. RAW is 12 or 14 bits, JPEG is
only 8 bits. In case you think that 12 bits is 50% more than 8 bits,
think again. 8 bits is 256 shades of color, 12 bits is 4096 shades of
color. The best example of the difference is blown highlights. In RAW,
you can often recover blown highlights, in JPEG you cannot.
--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer LINK |
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