|  | Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a different s | | |
| | | Bart Kastermans |  |
|  Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a different s |  |
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I am playing with some trees. In one of the procedures I wrote
for this I am trying to change self to a different tree. A tree
here has four members (val/type/left/right). I found that self = SS
does not work; I have to write self.val = SS.val and the same for
the other members (as shown below). Is there a better way to do this?
In the below self is part of a parse tree, F is the parse tree of a
function f with argument x. If a node in the parse tree is labelled
f, we should replace it by the parse tree for the function f, F, with
the remainder of the tree substituted for the input variable for the
function f, here x.
def elimF (self):
if self.val == "f":
SS = F.copy ()
SS.subst ('x', self.left)
self.val = SS.val # from here: set self to be SS
self.type = SS.type
self.left = SS.left
self.right = SS.right # completed: set self to be SS
if self.left != None: # iterate onward, inf recursion if f
# appears. Would need a check in
# real version
self.left.elimF ()
if self.right != None:
self.right.elimF ()
Best,
Bart |
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| | | Terry Reedy | |
| | Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a differe | |
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Bart Kastermans wrote:
| Quote: | I am playing with some trees. In one of the procedures I wrote
for this I am trying to change self to a different tree. A tree
here has four members (val/type/left/right). I found that self = SS
does not work; I have to write self.val = SS.val and the same for
the other members (as shown below). Is there a better way to do this?
In the below self is part of a parse tree, F is the parse tree of a
function f with argument x. If a node in the parse tree is labelled
f, we should replace it by the parse tree for the function f, F, with
the remainder of the tree substituted for the input variable for the
function f, here x.
def elimF (self):
if self.val == "f":
SS = F.copy ()
SS.subst ('x', self.left)
self.val = SS.val # from here: set self to be SS
self.type = SS.type
self.left = SS.left
self.right = SS.right # completed: set self to be SS
|
If you examine nodes from their parent, I believe you can do the
substitution in one step. Something like:
for slot,child in ( ('left',self.left), ('right',self.right) ):
if child is not None:
if child.val == 'f':
setattr(self, slot, F.copy().subst('x', child.left))
child.elimF
where .subst returns the modified tree.
| Quote: |
if self.left != None: # iterate onward, inf recursion if f
# appears. Would need a check in
# real version
self.left.elimF ()
if self.right != None:
self.right.elimF ()
|
Terry Jan Reedy |
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| | | Bart Kastermans | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a differe | |
| | | |
Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> writes:
| Quote: | Bart Kastermans wrote:
I am playing with some trees. In one of the procedures I wrote
for this I am trying to change self to a different tree. A tree
here has four members (val/type/left/right). I found that self = SS
does not work; I have to write self.val = SS.val and the same for
the other members (as shown below). Is there a better way to do this?
In the below self is part of a parse tree, F is the parse tree of a
function f with argument x. If a node in the parse tree is labelled
f, we should replace it by the parse tree for the function f, F, with
the remainder of the tree substituted for the input variable for the
function f, here x.
def elimF (self):
if self.val == "f":
SS = F.copy ()
SS.subst ('x', self.left)
self.val = SS.val # from here: set self to be SS
self.type = SS.type
self.left = SS.left
self.right = SS.right # completed: set self to be SS
If you examine nodes from their parent, I believe you can do the
substitution in one step. Something like:
for slot,child in ( ('left',self.left), ('right',self.right) ):
if child is not None:
if child.val == 'f':
setattr(self, slot, F.copy().subst('x', child.left))
child.elimF
where .subst returns the modified tree.
|
That worked very well. The option that looks even better to me was
just to build a copy (the exceptional case of the root of the tree
that is needed bugged me a bit). Then self does not have to be
changed at all. Your use of setattr made me find getattr, and this
allowed for a quite smooth (I think) implementation.
def elimF (self):
""" do the substitution of all nodes labelled f.
"""
if self.val == "f":
ret_val = F.subst ('x', self.left)
ret_val.left = NoneOr (ret_val.left, 'elimF')
ret_val.right = NoneOr (ret_val.right, 'elimF')
return ret_val
else:
return Tree (self.val, self.type, \
NoneOr (self.left, 'elimF'), \
NoneOr (self.right, 'elimF') )
This uses the function:
def NoneOr (tree, mem_function, *arguments):
""" if tree is not None then tree.mem_function (arguments). """
if tree == None:
return None
else:
return getattr (tree, mem_function) (*arguments)
Bart |
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| | | Paul McGuire | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a differe | |
| | | |
On Jul 12, 6:18 am, Bart Kastermans <kaste...@bart-kastermanss-
macbook.local> wrote:
| Quote: | This uses the function:
def NoneOr (tree, mem_function, *arguments):
""" if tree is not None then tree.mem_function (arguments). """
if tree == None:
return None
else:
return getattr (tree, mem_function) (*arguments)
Bart
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<persnickety>
This code reads wrongly to me on a couple of levels. First, I think
the general computing consensus is that if-then-else is more readable/
logical if you assert the positive condition for the then-part, and
put the alternative condition in the else-part. My impression is that
the non-None-ness of tree is actually the positive assertion, as in:
if tree != None:
return getattr(tree, mem_function)(*arguments)
else:
return None
Next, the more Pythonic test for None-ness is most clearly written as:
if tree is not None:
as there is only one None, and the identity "is not" check is simpler/
faster for Python to execute (and possibly - and more importantly -
also simpler for readers to follow, as this reads more like a
continuous sentence instead of a mixture of prose and mathematical
notations).
One might even suggest you could further abbreviate this test to:
if tree:
and get the same behavior. I would quibble with that, however, that
this merely exploits a side-effect of Python, in which None values are
always False, and *most* non-None values are True. But Python also
interprets many non-None values as False, such as 0, or empty
containers, such as lists, tuples, dicts, and strings. In fact, your
tree class sounds like a structured container to me, and it would be
reasonable to assume that you might implement __nonzero__ (pre-Python
2.6) or __bool__ (Python 2.6 and later) in your class to return False
for an empty tree, which would still be a valid and not-None tree.
You should be able to invoke methods on an empty tree just as one can
call "".upper(). So for this case, I would stick with the more
explicit "if tree is not None".
Another Pythonicity is that methods will *always* return a value, even
if you do not write a return statement - and that value is None. So
if you assert the tree-not-None as the if condition, you don't even
need the else part. You could just write:
def NoneOr (tree, mem_function, *arguments):
""" if tree is not None then tree.mem_function (arguments).
"""
if tree is not None:
return getattr(tree, mem_function)(*arguments)
Surprisingly, this actually reads almost verbatim from your doc
string! So I would guess that this implementation is probably closest
to your original intent for this method. Still, for explicitness'-
sake, you might want to keep the else-part, just to make your intent
clear and spelled-out. (Complaining about the presence or absence of
this bit of code goes beyond "persnickety"...)
</persnickety>
Note that the original code is perfectly valid Python, and will run
just as efficiently as any of my alternative suggestions, which is why
I enclosed my comments in 'persnickety' (http://
dictionary.reference.com/browse/persnickety) tags.
-- Paul |
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| | | Kay Schluehr | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a differe | |
| | | |
On 10 Jul., 15:19, Bart Kastermans <bkast...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I am playing with some trees. In one of the procedures I wrote
for this I am trying to change self to a different tree. A tree
here has four members (val/type/left/right). I found that self = SS
does not work; I have to write self.val = SS.val and the same for
the other members (as shown below). Is there a better way to do this?
In the below self is part of a parse tree, F is the parse tree of a
function f with argument x. If a node in the parse tree is labelled
f, we should replace it by the parse tree for the function f, F, with
the remainder of the tree substituted for the input variable for the
function f, here x.
def elimF (self):
if self.val == "f":
SS = F.copy ()
SS.subst ('x', self.left)
self.val = SS.val # from here: set self to be SS
self.type = SS.type
self.left = SS.left
self.right = SS.right # completed: set self to be SS
if self.left != None: # iterate onward, inf recursion if f
# appears. Would need a check in
# real version
self.left.elimF ()
if self.right != None:
self.right.elimF ()
Best,
Bart
|
Since it is acting on a tree why doesn't the code substitute self in
its parent by SS? That's the natural perspective if one considers a
tree as a linked structure and inserts and deletes nodes within this
structure. |
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| | | Terry Reedy | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a differe | |
Kay Schluehr wrote:
| Quote: |
Since it is acting on a tree why doesn't the code substitute self in
its parent by SS? That's the natural perspective if one considers a
tree as a linked structure and inserts and deletes nodes within this
structure.
|
I think you are suggesting the same thing I did:
| Quote: | If you examine nodes from their parent, I believe you can do the
substitution in one step. Something like:
for slot,child in ( ('left',self.left), ('right',self.right) ):
if child is not None:
if child.val == 'f':
setattr(self, slot, F.copy().subst('x', child.left))
child.elimF
where .subst returns the modified tree.
|
Where F.copy is what was called 'SS'. If not, I don't understand. |
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| | | Bart Kastermans | |
| | Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Changing self: if self is a tree how to set to a differe | |
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Paul McGuire <ptmcg@austin.rr.com> writes:
| Quote: | On Jul 12, 6:18 am, Bart Kastermans <kaste...@bart-kastermanss-
macbook.local> wrote:
This uses the function:
def NoneOr (tree, mem_function, *arguments):
""" if tree is not None then tree.mem_function (arguments). """
if tree == None:
return None
else:
return getattr (tree, mem_function) (*arguments)
Bart
persnickety
|
First I want to say these comments are absolutely great. I *very*
much appreciated getting them. This kind of analysis and thinking
about code is exactly what I want to learn for myself; so this helped
me a lot. From the many interesting thoughts I got from this there is
only one that is a bit dissonant with me; it is the next paragraph.
| Quote: | This code reads wrongly to me on a couple of levels. First, I think
the general computing consensus is that if-then-else is more readable/
logical if you assert the positive condition for the then-part, and
put the alternative condition in the else-part. My impression is that
the non-None-ness of tree is actually the positive assertion, as in:
|
I had been experimenting with exactly this in some of my code. The
choice seemed to be between (in the cases I had in front of me):
1) filter out the bad cases and deal with them, then have the code do
the usual stuff,
2) set the conditions for being the usual case, then later deal with
the bad stuff.
I had been converging towards (1) as in
def func (inputs):
if inputs bad one way:
deal with it
if inputs bad another way:
deal with it too
take care of the generic remaining case
case (2) would result in something like:
def func (inputs):
if inputs are not bad in any way:
take care of the generic case
elif in puts bad in one way:
deal with it
else: # bad in another way
deal with it too
Did I represent the case distinction as you had it in mind? I'll keep
this more in mind when writing stuff and see how it works out.
<persnickety>
Better keep with "more readable", logically these are clearly
equivalent.
</persnickety>
| Quote: |
if tree != None:
return getattr(tree, mem_function)(*arguments)
else:
return None
Next, the more Pythonic test for None-ness is most clearly written as:
if tree is not None:
as there is only one None, and the identity "is not" check is simpler/
faster for Python to execute (and possibly - and more importantly -
also simpler for readers to follow, as this reads more like a
continuous sentence instead of a mixture of prose and mathematical
notations).
One might even suggest you could further abbreviate this test to:
if tree:
and get the same behavior. I would quibble with that, however, that
this merely exploits a side-effect of Python, in which None values are
always False, and *most* non-None values are True. But Python also
interprets many non-None values as False, such as 0, or empty
containers, such as lists, tuples, dicts, and strings. In fact, your
tree class sounds like a structured container to me, and it would be
reasonable to assume that you might implement __nonzero__ (pre-Python
2.6) or __bool__ (Python 2.6 and later) in your class to return False
for an empty tree, which would still be a valid and not-None tree.
You should be able to invoke methods on an empty tree just as one can
call "".upper(). So for this case, I would stick with the more
explicit "if tree is not None".
Another Pythonicity is that methods will *always* return a value, even
if you do not write a return statement - and that value is None. So
if you assert the tree-not-None as the if condition, you don't even
need the else part. You could just write:
def NoneOr (tree, mem_function, *arguments):
""" if tree is not None then tree.mem_function (arguments).
"""
if tree is not None:
return getattr(tree, mem_function)(*arguments)
Surprisingly, this actually reads almost verbatim from your doc
string! So I would guess that this implementation is probably closest
to your original intent for this method. Still, for explicitness'-
sake, you might want to keep the else-part, just to make your intent
clear and spelled-out. (Complaining about the presence or absence of
this bit of code goes beyond "persnickety"...)
/persnickety
Note that the original code is perfectly valid Python, and will run
just as efficiently as any of my alternative suggestions, which is why
I enclosed my comments in 'persnickety' (http://
dictionary.reference.com/browse/persnickety) tags.
-- Paul |
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