|  | Change PC to Win or Windows | | |
| | | Joel Teichroeb |  |
|  Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: Change PC to Win or Windows |  |
In trunk of the svn there is a folder called PCbuild. Now lets say that
I am running linux on my Personal Computer and want to build python. I
go into the PCbuild directory, but wait. This is for windows not for any
personal computer.
Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so they would
not have to directly mention Windows. Could all the places that say PC
that are not referring to Personal Computers in general be changed to
Win or Windows. |
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| | | Derek Martin | |
| | Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
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On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:46:13PM -0700, Joel Teichroeb wrote:
| Quote: | Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so they would
not have to directly mention Windows.
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Actually it's something IBM did when they created the IBM PC. Of
course, all IBM PCs ran MS-DOS, since that's how IBM sold them...
Then others started to build copies the IBM PC based on Intel
hardware, and the resulting class of computers was called,
collectively, "PC Clones" -- shortened to PCs -- by the industry and
its market. Then companies like AMD and Cyrix started building
Intel-compatible CPUs, and the term PC was extended to include systems
built using those architectures. Eventually Windows was released, and
PCs became Windows boxen running on Intel-compatible hardware, and I
personally know no one who doesn't use the term that way...
Much like the English word "bank" (and numerous others), the term "PC"
has come to have several meanings, one of which is the above. You may
not like it, but we're pretty much stuck with the term, so you may as
well get used to it.
--
Derek D. Martin
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| | | Martin v. Löwis | |
| | Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
| Quote: | Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so they would
not have to directly mention Windows. Could all the places that say PC
that are not referring to Personal Computers in general be changed to
Win or Windows.
|
That's bikeshedding. If the name stops you from building your own
binaries, you should use prebuilt binaries, or read the documentation.
Regards,
Martin |
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| | | Grant Edwards | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
On 2008-07-18, Martin v. Löwis <martin@v.loewis.de> wrote:
| Quote: | Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so
they would not have to directly mention Windows. Could all the
places that say PC that are not referring to Personal
Computers in general be changed to Win or Windows.
That's bikeshedding.
|
:)
I had to look that one up.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! An INK-LING? Sure --
at TAKE one!! Did you BUY any
visi.com COMMUNIST UNIFORMS?? |
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| | | Dennis Lee Bieber | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:14:43 -0400, Derek Martin <code@pizzashack.org>
declaimed the following in comp.lang.python:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:46:13PM -0700, Joel Teichroeb wrote:
Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so they would
not have to directly mention Windows.
Actually it's something IBM did when they created the IBM PC. Of
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Bah... PC was short for Personal Computer... Which term applied to
the TRS-80, the Apple II, Altair even... Being a computer small enough
to be single-user ("personal") vs a department-wide mini, or
company-wide mainframe...
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(Bestiaria Support Staff: web-asst@bestiaria.com)
HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/ |
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| | | Lie | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
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On Jul 19, 6:14 am, Derek Martin <c...@pizzashack.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:46:13PM -0700, Joel Teichroeb wrote:
Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so they would
not have to directly mention Windows.
Actually it's something IBM did when they created the IBM PC. Of
course, all IBM PCs ran MS-DOS, since that's how IBM sold them...
Then others started to build copies the IBM PC based on Intel
hardware, and the resulting class of computers was called,
collectively, "PC Clones" -- shortened to PCs -- by the industry and
its market. Then companies like AMD and Cyrix started building
Intel-compatible CPUs, and the term PC was extended to include systems
built using those architectures. Eventually Windows was released, and
PCs became Windows boxen running on Intel-compatible hardware, and I
personally know no one who doesn't use the term that way...
Much like the English word "bank" (and numerous others), the term "PC"
has come to have several meanings, one of which is the above. You may
not like it, but we're pretty much stuck with the term, so you may as
well get used to it.
--
Derek D. LINK
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That's not the point, PC is personal computer, a computer that is
owned personally, instead of being owned by a department, a company, a
government, etc. IBM PC is one of the first computers that ordinary
people could possess, when IBM-clones appeared on the market, they're
referred as PCs too because they are Personal Computer, a computer
that is designed for personal use. The brand of the computer, the type
of processors, Operating System, etc doesn't qualify a computer as PC
or not-PC, what qualify a computer as a PC is its design and marketing
and popular usage. Design: a computer that is designed to be small,
cheap, and easy-to-use to be owned personally. Marketing: how the
computer is marketed as, the marketing people generally follows the
designer on what to mark a computer as. Popular Usage: What the people
who bought the computer used it for, this generally follows the
marketing terms used on the computer.
In short, Apple's computers (Mac, OSX) are PC too, and is not less PC
than any other PCs. In fact any computers owned and used by a person
(instead of a group of persons) is a personal computer. This way
saying windows-based computer as PC is correct, however badmouthing PC
while advertising itself is the same as badmouthing itself in its own
advertisement.
In a more programming term:
class PC(object):
def who(self):
print('I am a PC')
class IBMPC(PC):
def who(self):
super(IBMPC, self).who()
print 'My brand is IBM'
class Windows(PC):
def who(self):
super(Windows, self).who()
print 'My OS is Windows'
class Mac(PC):
def who(self):
super(Mac, self).who()
# denies thyself
print 'but I do not want to be called as PC'
print 'My OS is Mac'
Apple is an ungrateful son (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Malin_Kundang ). May they turns back to realize themselves before they
turned into a stone. |
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| | | Grant Edwards | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
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On 2008-07-19, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:14:43 -0400, Derek Martin <code@pizzashack.org
declaimed the following in comp.lang.python:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 03:46:13PM -0700, Joel Teichroeb wrote:
Calling Windows PC seems to be something that Apple did so they would
not have to directly mention Windows.
Actually it's something IBM did when they created the IBM PC. Of
Bah... PC was short for Personal Computer...
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I had never heard PC or "Personal Computer" until the IBM-PC.
Before that, such compturs were called "micro computers"
| Quote: | Which term applied to the TRS-80, the Apple II, Altair even...
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Not that I remember. I had a homebrew S-100 bus system, worked
with varioius Commodore machines, a few Apples, and some other
CP/M systems. I never heard any of them called a 'PC'. My
recollection is that 'PC' was a term that IBM coined.
| Quote: | Being a computer small enough to be single-user ("personal")
vs a department-wide mini, or company-wide mainframe...
|
I remember those being called microcomputers. A "PC" meant an IBM.
--
Grant |
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| | | Sebastian Beßler | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
Grant Edwards schrieb:
| Quote: | Not that I remember. I had a homebrew S-100 bus system, worked
with varioius Commodore machines,
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My C64 has a label that says "Personal Computer" on it.
So a C64 is a PC.
Sebastian |
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| | | Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:02:51 -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
| Quote: | On 2008-07-19, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Which term applied to the TRS-80, the Apple II, Altair even...
Not that I remember. I had a homebrew S-100 bus system, worked
with varioius Commodore machines, a few Apples, and some other
CP/M systems. I never heard any of them called a 'PC'. My
recollection is that 'PC' was a term that IBM coined.
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The C64 that still sits on my desk has a label on it saying “commodore 64
- personal computer”.
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch |
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| | | Duncan Booth | |
| | Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Change PC to Win or Windows | |
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch <bj_666@gmx.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:02:51 -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2008-07-19, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Which term applied to the TRS-80, the Apple II, Altair even...
Not that I remember. I had a homebrew S-100 bus system, worked
with varioius Commodore machines, a few Apples, and some other
CP/M systems. I never heard any of them called a 'PC'. My
recollection is that 'PC' was a term that IBM coined.
The C64 that still sits on my desk has a label on it saying
“commodore 64 - personal computer”.
and I cut my programming teeth on a Sharp MZ80K personal computer. |
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